tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9033694566622509777.post8258873316117140722..comments2017-12-23T16:24:11.736-08:00Comments on A Reformed Layman's Perspective: Pickin' NitsDave Vanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08356308028777550819noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9033694566622509777.post-67962713611706439592008-04-17T17:38:00.000-07:002008-04-17T17:38:00.000-07:00Dan: You ol' peacemaker you! Blessed are the pea...Dan: You ol' peacemaker you! Blessed are the peacemakers.Dave Vanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08356308028777550819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9033694566622509777.post-18664269860633812552008-04-16T19:07:00.000-07:002008-04-16T19:07:00.000-07:00The language of worship is both corporate and indi...The language of worship is both corporate and individual. Plurals and singulars abound. <BR/><BR/>I think that is the way it should work. That cuts across both the emphasis in the east on the group and the emphasis in the west on the body. It's never either or in this setting, but always both and.<BR/><BR/>Which makes worship (and church) more complex than most of us would like to think. <BR/><BR/>Some of us love the vertical aspect of worship--honor and glory to God alone. Amen and amen. Bring it!<BR/><BR/>And we can forget the horizontal aspect--for instance sing to one another.<BR/><BR/>Maybe that reflects something of the two great commands--to love God and to love one another. Vertical and horizontal, individual and corporate. <BR/><BR/>Add to that the specific cultural aesthetic we each value the most and it gets very complex indeed. <BR/><BR/>Just about everyone I know says something like--I wish I knew God better. One part of what they mean is, I wish I could worship better. <BR/><BR/>We all have much to learn.<BR/>graceDanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17385457876622711308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9033694566622509777.post-44368148962260230972008-04-16T08:25:00.000-07:002008-04-16T08:25:00.000-07:00I have observed this as well Dave."Is this fleshly...I have observed this as well Dave.<BR/><BR/>"Is this fleshly-individual worship?"<BR/><BR/>Absolutely.Benjamin P. Glaserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02728290792232181473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9033694566622509777.post-50534554547119752972008-04-15T10:07:00.000-07:002008-04-15T10:07:00.000-07:00Pearlygate, Yes seriousness aside, it could be th...Pearlygate, Yes seriousness aside, it could be the <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NsdF_sk7fQ" REL="nofollow">The Mississippi Squirrel Revival Effect</A> rather that the sub-woofer effect.Dave Vanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08356308028777550819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9033694566622509777.post-44340198304799438812008-04-15T09:23:00.000-07:002008-04-15T09:23:00.000-07:00Dave, I have observed much of this type "nit" over...Dave, I have observed much of this type "nit" over the years in various churches and yes, even in our church at times. I have come to conclusion that very little, if any, of it has to do with the moving of the Holy Spirit. We have so much "worship culture" diversity now that drifts into our worship services and it seems people often, with disregard for the other worshipers, do whatever they "feel" like doing, or whatever they experienced at the last church where they worshiped. I would guess that well over 90 percent of church goers today do not know what the word "worship" means, particularly as described in Romans 12:1. You may have hit the proverbial nail on the head using the term "individualistic." That always points back to the purpose of worship and to the "its about me" syndrome rather than "its about Him." It becomes an event rather than worship and therein lies a problem when we become an "event driven" church rather than a "God presence based church." I think Terry Tekyl (a Methodist revivalist) described it well in his book, "The Presence Based Church." Whatever we truly believe about God and our worship of Him permeates throughout how we express that during our corporate worship times. It is a disconcerting issue in our worship times today and one that is not so easy to resolve.<BR/><BR/>All seriousness aside, I'm reminded of that old spiritual song, "Somethin got hold of me" and I just had to move. Hmmmm...Maybe that was a sub-woofer or better yet, how about Ray Stevens and "The Mississippi Squirrel"?pearlygatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07442431815448158293noreply@blogger.com